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		<title>Comment on If only the WLS people had Digitized their Codebooks by dpw</title>
		<link>http://softwaredevelopment.socialtechnology.ca/2010/06/10/if-only-the-wls-people-had-digitized-their-codebooks/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>dpw</dc:creator>
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		<description>Professor Hauser, sir,
 
My apologies for using the wrong word in my post about using the 
WLS data.   I do have a problem with using your codebook data, but
that was a wrong way to put it.  What I meant was that the PDF
and HTML files are not in an easily machine readable format, and there
was not much I could do with them but print them out.  In the post
you quoted from I expressed my frustration too bluntly and carelessly,
ignoring the existence of large statistical packages that would
give me access to the codebook data.  I couldn&#039;t affort to spend
a lot of money on a package whose only purpose would be
to translate the codebook data into the kind of simple digital
format I could use directly.
 
I did indeed mention Stata in the immediately previous post.  I would 
much rather you, (or whoever mentioned my post to you) had read 
that previous post, which began:
 
      &quot;In case anyone else wants to play about with the same data 
       I’ll be using to prototype with, the site to go to is  ...  home of the
       famous Wisconsin Longitudinal Study, the WLS.   Their data is 
       wonderful stuff, believe me.   I don’t like the way social surveys are 
       done, but I think this the best of a poor lot, at least.    Very good 
       for our purposes.  I have downloaded by the Comma Separated Value, 
       CSV, format data and the Stata data, hoping that the R documentation 
       is correct in saying that R can import Stata data files.   I don’t actually 
       want to use R, though it is a great package, not to mention free, 
       but from R it is easy enough to export it in a format that I can read and
       manipulate using Python.  I am more concerned about the variable 
       information in the Stata files than the actual user response data, 
       which I could easily read using the CSV files.&quot;
 
I wrote that the data I wanted was not available in digitized form simply
simply because the codebooks in PDF and HTML might as well be paper, 
as there is very little I could do with them but print them.   I should have
spelled that out.  
 
As for the data in SAS, SPSS and Stata, that is another matter.  
As the earlier post quoted above, I said that Ihoped I could extract 
variable information (by which I meant codebook data) from the Stata files, 
if indeed R would import them read them the export the codebook
information into a format I could read with an ordinary programing
language like Python.  Even that now seems futile, because the R
I used to use will not run only the only machine I have now, a 64-bit one.
 
My real problem is trying to start a project which has no budget for
big statistical packages like SAS, SPSS or Stata.  This would
have been so simple to do if you had made codebook data available
in something as simple the CSV you provide for the tabular
data itself.   As it stands, I find myself sitting here with a
powerful computer and a good programming language which
runs on it, but no way of accessing your codebook data.
 
That was the the source of the rather severe frustration which
led me to say the wrong thing about your codebooks.
 
Thank you for responding so quickly to my comments, and for
suggesting that I contact WLS project staff.  I promise to
correct all of my misrepresentations in today&#039;s blog post.
 
   -- dpw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Hauser, sir,</p>
<p>My apologies for using the wrong word in my post about using the<br />
WLS data.   I do have a problem with using your codebook data, but<br />
that was a wrong way to put it.  What I meant was that the PDF<br />
and HTML files are not in an easily machine readable format, and there<br />
was not much I could do with them but print them out.  In the post<br />
you quoted from I expressed my frustration too bluntly and carelessly,<br />
ignoring the existence of large statistical packages that would<br />
give me access to the codebook data.  I couldn&#8217;t affort to spend<br />
a lot of money on a package whose only purpose would be<br />
to translate the codebook data into the kind of simple digital<br />
format I could use directly.</p>
<p>I did indeed mention Stata in the immediately previous post.  I would<br />
much rather you, (or whoever mentioned my post to you) had read<br />
that previous post, which began:</p>
<p>      &#8220;In case anyone else wants to play about with the same data<br />
       I’ll be using to prototype with, the site to go to is  &#8230;  home of the<br />
       famous Wisconsin Longitudinal Study, the WLS.   Their data is<br />
       wonderful stuff, believe me.   I don’t like the way social surveys are<br />
       done, but I think this the best of a poor lot, at least.    Very good<br />
       for our purposes.  I have downloaded by the Comma Separated Value,<br />
       CSV, format data and the Stata data, hoping that the R documentation<br />
       is correct in saying that R can import Stata data files.   I don’t actually<br />
       want to use R, though it is a great package, not to mention free,<br />
       but from R it is easy enough to export it in a format that I can read and<br />
       manipulate using Python.  I am more concerned about the variable<br />
       information in the Stata files than the actual user response data,<br />
       which I could easily read using the CSV files.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wrote that the data I wanted was not available in digitized form simply<br />
simply because the codebooks in PDF and HTML might as well be paper,<br />
as there is very little I could do with them but print them.   I should have<br />
spelled that out.  </p>
<p>As for the data in SAS, SPSS and Stata, that is another matter.<br />
As the earlier post quoted above, I said that Ihoped I could extract<br />
variable information (by which I meant codebook data) from the Stata files,<br />
if indeed R would import them read them the export the codebook<br />
information into a format I could read with an ordinary programing<br />
language like Python.  Even that now seems futile, because the R<br />
I used to use will not run only the only machine I have now, a 64-bit one.</p>
<p>My real problem is trying to start a project which has no budget for<br />
big statistical packages like SAS, SPSS or Stata.  This would<br />
have been so simple to do if you had made codebook data available<br />
in something as simple the CSV you provide for the tabular<br />
data itself.   As it stands, I find myself sitting here with a<br />
powerful computer and a good programming language which<br />
runs on it, but no way of accessing your codebook data.</p>
<p>That was the the source of the rather severe frustration which<br />
led me to say the wrong thing about your codebooks.</p>
<p>Thank you for responding so quickly to my comments, and for<br />
suggesting that I contact WLS project staff.  I promise to<br />
correct all of my misrepresentations in today&#8217;s blog post.</p>
<p>   &#8212; dpw</p>
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		<title>Comment on If only the WLS people had Digitized their Codebooks by Robert M. Hauser</title>
		<link>http://softwaredevelopment.socialtechnology.ca/2010/06/10/if-only-the-wls-people-had-digitized-their-codebooks/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert M. Hauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All questionnaires and flowcharts (for CATI instruments) are also available on-line at the WLS website, and the on-line codebooks cross-reference variables to their sources in the instruments and to additional documentation about variable construction.

RMH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All questionnaires and flowcharts (for CATI instruments) are also available on-line at the WLS website, and the on-line codebooks cross-reference variables to their sources in the instruments and to additional documentation about variable construction.</p>
<p>RMH</p>
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		<title>Comment on If only the WLS people had Digitized their Codebooks by Robert M. Hauser</title>
		<link>http://softwaredevelopment.socialtechnology.ca/2010/06/10/if-only-the-wls-people-had-digitized-their-codebooks/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert M. Hauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about the complete WLS codebooks that is not &quot;digitized&quot;?

I do not understand the complaint that [The WLS] &quot;had no digitized codebook to offer for the main study, only for a few minor ones.&quot; They are available on-line in PDF and in HTML. Look at http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/documentation/waves/, and follow the links on that page. Downloading the data file into SAS, SPSS, 
or Stata will provide a codebook as well.

Additional queries about the WLS data and documentation may be addressed to wls@ssc.wisc.edu.

WLS project staff are also interested to learn more about what you are trying to do with the data and documentation.

RMH
Principal Investigator
Wisconsin Longitudinal Study</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about the complete WLS codebooks that is not &#8220;digitized&#8221;?</p>
<p>I do not understand the complaint that [The WLS] &#8220;had no digitized codebook to offer for the main study, only for a few minor ones.&#8221; They are available on-line in PDF and in HTML. Look at <a href="http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/documentation/waves/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/documentation/waves/</a>, and follow the links on that page. Downloading the data file into SAS, SPSS,<br />
or Stata will provide a codebook as well.</p>
<p>Additional queries about the WLS data and documentation may be addressed to <a href="mailto:wls@ssc.wisc.edu">wls@ssc.wisc.edu</a>.</p>
<p>WLS project staff are also interested to learn more about what you are trying to do with the data and documentation.</p>
<p>RMH<br />
Principal Investigator<br />
Wisconsin Longitudinal Study</p>
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